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MF Bois Outdoors Podcast: Ep 20; Ryan Burnett w/ Pattern Pros #2
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On this episode, Blaine is joined by Ryan Burnett w/ Pattern Pros. On another episode, Ryan and I discussed the importance in patterning your shotguns. This is continued in this episode. Pattern Pros also has some exciting new products that we discuss, so make sure to listen to what they have to come. On top of all of this exciting stuff, Ryan and I catch up by telling stories, having discussions, etc.
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What's up, everybody, and welcome back to the MF Fullies Outdoors Podcast. We cannot thank you enough for listening to this podcast. Before we get started, I'd like to give a huge shout out to a couple of our sponsors. First, starting with Mueller Chokes. Thank you, Jimmy Muller, for uh sponsoring the podcast. Uh, he has these things absolutely dialed in. Uh, I shot them all season in the Stone Golden Birds at 40 yards with the decoy choke. Uh, with the passing choke, I had great success on divers out to 50. So very good chokes. Uh, use code MF Boys10 and all caps at checkout on their website for 10% off. We'd also love you to go check out retriever fuel because let's face it, your hunting dogs work hard. Keep them happy and healthy and energized by heading over to uh barkaboveats.com or look up retriever fuel on Google and use code MF Boys10 and all caps at checkout for 10% off. Also, welcoming one of our newest sponsors, Flight Day Ammo. If you haven't shot this ammo, you're missing out. The high payload, low feet per second steel shot that they have produced is off the chain. The science and shot cam footage behind this ammo showcases that it is the top ammo on the market, especially when paired with the molar choke. So head over to flightday ammo.com and grab yourself a cop couple boxes and use code MF Boys and all caps at 10 uh for 10% off at checkout. And lastly, uh go check out uh Dirty Duck Coffee. Um, their coffees are great. I've been using the Morning Wood and the uh Pitboss blend, both are phenomenal. Uh so go check them out at dirty duck.dirty duckcoffee.com and grab some use code MF Boys10 and all caps at checkout for 10% off. With us today, from are you from South Carolina? Well, yeah, yeah, that's where I'm at now. Okay, South Carolina is where he's at now. Uh Ryan Burnett with Pattern Pros. How's it going, Ryan?
SPEAKER_01Well, we are finally we are into spring now, so it's uh it got hot all of a sudden. So it's uh it's good it's good to get outside and not freeze, but now it went from cool mornings to just already sweating my balls off.
SPEAKER_02So I know I feel that 100%. It went from it really did go from like 30 degrees and now it's like 85, and we were just begging for this, but when you have to wear pants every day at work, it starts getting old. I just was telling my wife the other day, I was like, man, I need to get a new, I need to get a new pair of pants that like don't just absolutely just like make me sweat all day, like jeans. So I actually was like, so cheap Blaine goes to Walmart and buys all of his clothes, so or not clothes, all my jeans for work, because there's no reason to spend $80 on a pair of pants just to ruin them. So, anyways, I go to Walmart and I was like, man, I'm gonna try these pants. So I got like some outdoors pants that are breathable. I think I sweat on them more than I did my my jeans.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, I uh I'm a big fan of it being being cold in the mornings. Um, I I actually like that. I hate going to like going to work and checking trucks off and already come back inside and feel like I need to change by nine o'clock.
SPEAKER_02No, it's yeah, it's it's not not very fun whenever you walk outside and you're like, ah I like the days where you have to walk outside and it's uh it's it's cool enough to where you have to wear a sweatshirt, but then during the day it's hot enough to where I don't need the sweatshirt. And then I get to a point where I don't have any more sweatshirts in the closet because they're all in my truck.
SPEAKER_01Live out of the truck. I do that a lot.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I swear I'll I'll be like, man, it's cold enough for a sweatshirt, but I need a uh I need a um I I don't want to wear it all day, so I'm not gonna wear it this morning. Maui over here is losing it. Losing it, yeah. But uh I I just got home and they ain't had much attention today, so they're like, uh we need we need pets. But anyways, uh so what's new with you, Ryan?
SPEAKER_01Well, uh, you know, uh spring uh spring is just about upon us, so uh really getting ready for turkey season. Um I can't I've been seeing been seeing birds strutting, so excited for that. Yeah. Haven't uh haven't heard of the first gobble yet, but I've only been out uh one time in the evening to to kind of go listen. Uh I I know there's plenty of birds in those those areas, but you know, it's when does your season open again? We have youth weekend on the 28th and 29th of March. So here in weeks.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and you said you said uh you're taking one of your daughters for the first time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I'm taking taking my youngest. So my oldest, uh, I mean, she was one of our first duck hunt when she was heck like two and a half or something like that. And so she, you know, she killed a few deer and a couple ducks. And last year we had uh had some run-ins with some turkey, and uh, she just kind of just no longer wanted to pull the trigger. Yeah, and my youngest kind of surprised us where it was like last summer, she was like, Dad, I'm I'm ready to start shooting stuff. And I was like, uh Alright, kid. So we you don't have to tell me twice. So we started started practicing it. And so she killed uh she killed her first two deer this year. Uh the first one was uh actually right behind one of uh one of our stations. Uh I got permission on a little uh little cut corn, a little cornfield that's like five or six acres, and she killed her first deer with uh me, my wife, and and our other kid, our other our other daughter.
SPEAKER_02Oh, you guys were four deep out there.
SPEAKER_01Four deep in the uh in the in the ground line.
SPEAKER_02Uh so that was pretty cool. I'm sure they were all just quiet as could be. Yeah, god.
SPEAKER_01I was like well, thankfully, thankfully, like we were on a point away from the either tree line. So I was like, all right, like we'll be okay. Um but as soon as soon as those two does came out, it was like laser focus time. So it was pretty funny. She was like, I like said, like she was sitting in my wife's lap and I like grabbed her in the center on mine, and I've got one of like the bog death grip tripods, probably locked in.
SPEAKER_02How big of a rifle do you have them shooting at that age?
SPEAKER_01243.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah. Yeah, I remember I think I think I was around 10 or 11 when I shot my first year. Yeah, and I shot it with a 300 WSM.
SPEAKER_01Holy shot.
SPEAKER_02The guy I went with was like, ah, you'll love this gun. Yeah, yeah. I sure did because I killed that doe or that uh yeah, that doe, and it didn't go nowhere. But that was those were the days.
SPEAKER_01Um but yeah, it was uh I sat on my lap, Dad, can I shoot? Can I shoot? I said, just wait, just wait. Like they're like, they're they're coming to feed, they're coming to feed. And then finally, like, you know, they got broadside. I was like, you know, shoot, you know, shoot the big one. We'd already talked about you know exactly where to aim, and yeah, when I was like, all right, like go for it. And uh she like took a couple seconds to make sure she was like on and boom, just dropped it. It was great.
SPEAKER_02Uh have uh do you take them to shoot before you go, or do you kind of let it be the first time? No, no. Some people do it different, you know. Like some people are like, Oh, I want them to pull the trigger for the first time when they shoot their deer. Oh god, no, I think that's I I think so as well.
SPEAKER_01But I think that's awful. Like, we need to be like accustomed to like understanding what the hell's gonna happen when they pull the trigger. Um, no, I agree with that. No, but I have heard we shoot.
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean, like, you know, I've had you know, sometimes I've had them like go out, not like saying shoot guns for the first time, but like they just haven't shot a bigger gun, like they've shot 22s and such, so they know what they're doing, but they don't know the actual recoil of a bigger gun, especially for someone young. But hey, heck, sounds like you got a tough one.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yes. Uh so yeah, it's is she freaking dropped it, but you know, I got her the year before, so her birthday's right after Christmas. Um, and she'd been asking for a gun. So I got her her a little Ruger 1022. So we freaking, you know, shoot that thing all the time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that was my first uh that was my first rifle as well. A little Ruger 1022. Great gun. Love that thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so she she you know, we shoot plenty, but yeah, she dropped that. Uh, and then she ended up killing a spike uh a few weeks later. So um 10-year season was pretty solid.
SPEAKER_02I don't care what you say.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, we we had we had a good little year. Um so it was it was fun. Um so yeah, my my oldest didn't, you know, she just kind of like I you know I don't care to pull the trigger anymore, or at least for right now. And yeah, um, so she is my oldest is nine, my youngest is eight. Um and uh so yeah, last year we had a couple uh man, we had we had two two run-ins with with two toms, and it it it shook her up a little bit. Um the the first one we came on to I've got two little leases, uh one's like 75 acres, I think the other one's about 80, and they're maybe a uh quarter, half mile away from each other at most. And uh we come out on the the first one, and most of it's a power line.
SPEAKER_02Um, so yeah, you're yeah, like you're saying, like uh the big power lines, so it's like just a field that's a power line, and then there's trees on each side of it. Yeah, yeah, there's some there's there's pies on on either side, but um oh I'd love dude. That's like I I want to go to like Georgia or somewhere and shoot a turkey. I'm so like used to shooting turkeys here, and it's just like thick woods, like oak woods, and you know I miss that.
SPEAKER_01Well, we have plenty of that here, but just like this, like this spot, it which I I'd prefer the I'd prefer like big timber just because like you get a call them in through that, you can hear them.
SPEAKER_02I can sneak up on them really easy. If it's wet, I'm yeah, yeah, I'll be really close to them.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, so we we came out of the power line, um, and as we were coming out, I could see a few birds uh, I don't know, 200 yards, 250 yards down, and I like we stopped, I got her set up um with a decoy, and you know, it was only about 15 yards out in front of her as as far as out as I could get it, and I like got her set up with a little tripod with her 410, and I was like, all right, hey, I'm gonna kind of slide over here and you know, see if there's anything else out there, yeah, and start start calling. Um, and I was gonna call really loud just to see if there was anything else uh that I couldn't see. And all of a sudden, at like 50 yards, a freaking Tom, like it just popped up out of nowhere, like the grass was getting a little bit taller uh on the power line, and all of a sudden I was like, oh crap, like I can't move. Like I can't because I was I was like the last row of pines before you know before the power line. I was like, crap. And she's probably uh 10, 12 yards to my right, but I can't I can't see her, I can't move, I can't do anything. Uh so then I start calling even more just to I was like, dude, like just say something, like let her know you're you're freaking there. And he's just kind of walking, and then he kinda just starts putting and just like literally just like bebing along, like coming over to see what's up. Like just you can I'm like, all right, she she should hear him now. He's just kinda literally just putting along and uh just going for a stroll. And he got to probably I don't know, 20 yards, I think, from her may in that ballpark, like definitely shootable, yeah. And then just kind of just went on back the way he came, pretty much. I was like, oh crap. So I went over there and she was shaking a little bit. She goes, Dad, like you wouldn't stop. Like, I'm like, all right, we're good. You at least you know you saw him. And then I was like, all right, we're gonna go check this other spot, which is uh mostly a little bit younger pines. Um, there's no hardwoods on there, so those those birds kind of passing it, they're just passing it out of there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um and I was like, We'll go, we'll go check it out. But like right on the the border uh is all hardwoods, and it drops down into a swamp, and that's where those birds are coming from. They're roosting, and so we get kind of to the end, and I call a few times and then call a little bit more aggressively, and I hear a hen. I'm like, oh, all right. And then I'm like, oh crap, just heard gobble. Like, it was like sit down, like throwing our stuff on real quick, throw in my lap, and like within 10 seconds, a hen popped up to our left at like 40 yards, like was close. I was like, Oh man, so she was coming and she's talking, and now I can hear him. He's coming, he's like, he's getting closer, and she comes out in front of us at like 10 feet, like legitimately like 10 feet. Like I stepped it off afterwards.
SPEAKER_02Um, and I was like it's crazy to have them that close. Like, and that was like my first turkey ever. It was about uh I shot it at literally like five yards max. Like that's close.
SPEAKER_01It was I was like, oh and I don't know if she like sensed something was wrong, but she like stopped. Like she came out onto the kind of like one step out onto the road and like stopped and they started to go back the other way. I was like, oh crap, but she kind of like circled us, and I you know sometimes you know when they fly, they kind of do like a little cackle or whatever. Yeah, she did that and then just landed on the road behind us. And I was like, Oh, this is money because she's calling, I'm calling, and then I was like, we are in between the the hand and this bird. I was like, This is this is this is gonna happen. And so he's gobbled a couple times, and then he kind of shuts up for a few seconds, and she goes, Dad, where is he? And it's like it's like he answered her and gobbled at like uh I don't know 10 yards is what it sounded like. It was that like I just couldn't I couldn't see him, and then he popped out, and I think he was right at like 10 yards, like max. Um, and I was like, Oh my god, like I was like, yawn him, yawn him, yawn him, and she just like just kind of fell apart. Like couldn't just I was like, I was you know, with with them, like that that four tens of like the trigger's a little a little stiff, and uh so I'll I'll put my finger on top of theirs and I was like, hey, just let me know when and and they'll say go and I'll start to help them pull the trigger. And she just she just kind of fell apart. Uh and he just kind of came out there and walked around for a couple seconds and then was like, all right, well, I'm out of here, and just and just meandered on off. But um dude, it was a uh I felt so bad for her because like she she was like you could tell she cared, like wanted it, just like kind of fell apart. So um which was kind of a bummer. I wish we could have, you know, uh I I wish that we could have made that happen. But I was like, all right, like you just need you need to like step away for a little bit, but so now figure it out, yeah. Yeah, but I think my youngest is kind of in that the stage of now where my oldest was when she when she first started, I was like, Dad, let's kill them, like kill them all, like whatever mad at them, yeah. So get one stupid one to just come out there and get put on a show and and stand there for a second.
SPEAKER_02But uh I need to find a stupid one. The the one of the farms that I I I only had permission on uh one farm and then uh but man, I tell you what, the the turkeys there last year were some of the most stubborn turkeys that I've ever dealt with in my life. That that that farms a lot of uh like stalk and shoot because yeah, uh it's a huge cornfield, so I mean you're you're talking they hit the cornfield every day. Yeah, they hit the cornfield every day, but one day you watch them for two weeks. I'll have a camera, watch them for two weeks hit the same little island of trees when they're coming out of roost. I'll watch them. There'll be one flying and one in the field sitting there. Then you go set up in the island of trees and all of a sudden they f they fly 800 yards out. I don't even set decoys out there because I just thought I had them patterned, you know. This was on opening day, and it's like and two, also you're trying to pull them off of uh uh there's they stay flocked up there for some reason, pretty good. Like they stay pretty pretty that's how it was.
SPEAKER_01When when I was in California, um I I don't know if it was there, I think it was because that there was there was only like pockets of birds. Like if you went to an area and they're like that that that held birds, you know, that was it was kind of like one flock and they just stuck together, it seemed like year-round.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's I mean a lot of times you don't see like a pair or like you dude, they'll just be like, or they'll be like seven toms all together, and you're like, what are y'all doing? Y'all supposed to hate each other right now. Like, seriously, what where's where's the hose at? You know, like where y'all got them hiding? Like what are we doing?
SPEAKER_01Well, I uh I went out to uh to one of the spots today. Um and uh I I've had a camera out, and I haven't seen anything on that camera since I put it back out there for like the last I don't know, five days or so. Um and it's the same spot where it was in November um during deer season. I had 11, it was either I think it was 12, 12 birds came in and 11 of them were long beards. Like I was like, holy, like, I I was I and they got to within you know 15-20 yards of me. Um that's insane. It was awesome. So I was like, okay, I didn't think this was gonna be a turkey spot. So but it is, yeah. But I you know, I don't know if they they've obviously kind of they're starting to disperse anyways, but we uh I went there today. Uh I saw some tracks. I saw you know, I've been seeing some hen tracks every time I've been there recently, but um today I definitely saw um yeah, at least one gobbler track. So I was like, all right, like there's at least one of you uh around. And we it just rained yesterday too, so it's been it, so it's been here pretty fresh, but um, but it was cool. I saw I found my first deer shed of the year. Um, I've only ever found, I think, one other one here in South Carolina.
SPEAKER_02Um, I think I've only yeah, I think I don't think I've ever found a shed, honestly. I found skulls and and antlers, but I've never found just a shed by itself. Uh, you know, Zach, the other guy who was doing the podcast with me the first time, one time uh he he went out with his wife, and she thought she put a really good shot on a deer, and they just never found it. And so, anyways, that next that next turkey season, so she probably shot that like I would say like November. He she wasn't going out in the cold, but uh, I would say probably like around November sometime or or or sometime in there, and uh we're walking around and all of a sudden we see a pair of antlers, and Zach's like, Holy crap, that's the deer my wife shot. And so, I mean, it was a perfect Euro mount, like you know what I'm saying? Like, because it got it got eaten up. So, I mean, it was like almost the perfect Euro mount, and you could see like the the backbones and everything of the deer style. But I was like, it's kind of sad that that you know that you guys never found it, but at the same time, it's I mean, it's part of life.
SPEAKER_01Yep. Um, well, yeah, I see. I found that found that you had today. I found uh actually found a uh an old I don't know if it was a uh a button buck or whatever it was, but uh or a just a young butt that had already shed when he died. Um oh yeah. And then some other kind of freaking school I still haven't figured out what it what it was, but um so yeah, dude, getting getting ready for turkey season. We've already been uh we we've been uh sending out orders.
SPEAKER_02Um so it's how's it going as far as as far as that's busy?
SPEAKER_01Um yeah, the TSS stuff is definitely throwing some stuff for a loop.
SPEAKER_02Um yeah, I actually saw uh your post today that said that it was gonna be like three hundred something dollars a box. How much was it? Well, it was uh how much for a I don't remember what that post said. A kilo was like how much?
SPEAKER_01Uh I yeah, I think I reposted it uh for my buddy over at at Salt Creek. Um yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. I think it I I think $180 a pound or so. Um yeah, which is I think it's $360 a kilo. Yeah. So it's essentially it'll it'll be unattainable. Um, I I I honestly don't know if it's gonna be around next year. Um sad though. I'm sure you can still find something here and there next year. Um, but it yeah, it's uh I mean everybody's got it in stock this year, so it's it's fine. It's obviously more expensive than it's than it's ever been before. Uh but yeah, so we're I mean we're still um you know, for anybody who doesn't actually know what we're doing for so for turkeys, we do you know, we do variety packs, so it's it's still five five different shells with one of each in one box. Uh for 1220 and 410. We had 28 last year, but just uh with TSS gonna, yeah, I knew what it was gonna be doing this year. Umfortunately stayed stayed away from it, um, which is a bummer because the 28 was starting to really make a comeback uh in the waterfowling world and uh and for Turkey. So uh stepped stepped away from that. But um, so yeah, we have for 12 gauge, we have uh two different TSS packs. We have uh that are three inch, we have a three and a half inch Tss. And then for lead, we have a three inch and a three and a half inch option. Um so I I think here net here next year guys are really I'm already seeing it this year. Uh guys are kind of diving back into the lead side and um just kind of price of stuff out.
SPEAKER_02You know what's funny? This will be my first season trying TSS, and I'm gonna fall in love with it. Yeah, oh yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_01You go like when you go pattern it, it's hard to like look back at a at a lead load pattern. Like I did it the other day, and I'd shot it, you know, Winchester Longbeard XR before, and I I'd gotten a great pattern, and uh like I I don't know if I this was a uh maybe I had different shot size than there before. Uh, but I shot one the other day, and I was like, damn, like that's not not what I remember. Um which I don't think it was. I I I think there was there was something different with that that pattern, but my buddy was like, dude, you're probably just used to looking at TSS patterns. It's like it is it's night and day, you're just getting so many more freaking BBs on there. Um it's uh it dude, it's freaking wild.
SPEAKER_02But uh, but I I tell you, I've had a lot of really good success with with lead shot with web shot as well. I whenever I originally, this is before heck I even knew you, but I I had done the stupid thing that people shouldn't do, they should use pattern pros, but the uh the stupid thing was buy like a hundred dollars of lead and then only shoot three out of nine of the packs out of ten. So, anyways, needless to say, I did shoot the the Winchester uh XR, and I used to shoot a uh uh a Jebs choke. Okay, and that's the one that patterned best for me out of my out of my uh super black eagle, but yeah, now I'm gonna try TSS from uh the flight day ammo guys, but we'll see.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's uh it's definitely a night and day, and people are like, Well, you don't need TSS, and I'm like, absolutely, absolutely. Guys were killing killing turkeys with with for lead for you know for decades.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you don't need it, but it's like sharpening your sword.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's it's just it is just a more efficient tool. Um so it's gonna be interesting to see what what happens, and I know more guys are uh who that are coming out with lead loads. Be I I think before it was you know, you had like your five or six different factory lead loads, and that was it, but some other guys are gonna pivot. Um I I've already seen uh a couple different uh guys who have done TSS that are uh that are coming out with with lead turkey loads. And um so that'll be interesting. Uh the thing that uh we're getting ready to launch now. I'm waiting on um shells from uh Saddy's Fatties uh shell company uh out of Ohio. Um is a lead TSS uh blend. Oh, okay. So um it it came out. I started to see it last year. Um talking with a buddy, he he came out with one uh for salt for Salt Creek.
SPEAKER_02Um and then is it just uh to offset the cost a little or yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um so like I'll grab I'll grab a box. Um so uh this is from Epic Shot Shell. Uh 20 image. So it is a number five lead uh and then a number nine TSS. So I think you're getting I I can't remember the specs on there, but I think you're getting like half ounce uh of TSS, uh depending on uh he's got several different options. Uh but migra, they had they had a big launch uh for theirs a couple weeks ago. I think they launched it right around NWTF.
SPEAKER_02Which migra's always kind of been behind the the different different shot sizes, different yeah, yeah. Um so yeah, I saw I saw it last year, and then obviously that was their red box, right? It's a red box or red. Can't remember the migra ones. I I did see that they had come out with yeah, yeah, the red and white box.
SPEAKER_01So theirs actually isn't a TSS, it is a high density tungsten. Uh so TSS is a is 18.1 um grams per centimeter or or not, whatever the hell it hell it is. 18.1 is a little bit over um and their high density tungsten is seven over 17. So you're I mean, essentially the same thing. It's slightly lighter, but you you couldn't you couldn't tell the difference unless you were had it had it on a scale. Um so yeah, it's just uh it's just gonna allow you to still get a lot of the lethality from TSS without having to absolutely just get just destroyed um on the price side. Uh so I think these are gonna really start to be popular. Um and that might be the this kind of might be the one thing that allows TSS to kind of still stick around. Um I think Myra's the this hybrid here is I want to say is on on shelves for $39, $40, something like that for five. So like I mean, it's uh I know they're uh their 12 gauge. I think you're still getting uh 400 plus uh BBs. Um so uh yeah, so for the 20 gauge, you're getting roughly 341 uh BBs, and 141 is lead, and then 200 uh is TSS. So you're still getting an absolute ton of BBs down range. Um and just not having to deal with at you know absolutely absurd prices. So I I hope that it kind of sticks around.
SPEAKER_02Um I'm curious to see what the what the price will be once it uh once it does go up.
SPEAKER_01I mean it like you said, it's I don't think uh it's talking with guys already. I don't think it will I I don't think they'll try and produce it. I I really don't think yeah that they're gonna go out and be like, hey, you know, we gotta spend however many thousands of dollars. I mean right now a lot of gaze guys 12 gauge shells, you know, a three-inch, 12-gauge, you know, roughly two ounce TSS load um is you know a hundred plus dollars for for five. Yeah. You know, for just your average guy, like that's that's that's a lot.
SPEAKER_02Um oh yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_01For guys who are maybe doing a bunch of traveling and they're maybe they're going to get a guide or hey, I'm already you know traveling four states over, you know, me spending an extra hundred dollars on a shell that I know is is truly gonna work, okay. Um yeah. But once it starts to get to you know forty dollars per shot, if that's what roughly would have been about like uh no, I I don't I don't think it'll be produced or or if it does, it's gonna be astronomical. So we'll uh we'll see, but um as we do, we we're gonna continue to to pivot and um you know call audibles as uh as we uh as we see fit.
SPEAKER_00Um yeah, of course.
SPEAKER_01I mean it you know with with this prices being as high as they are already right now, um would you know working with us is is still I mean it's even more important in my mind.
SPEAKER_02So I I yeah, because I mean well if you're gonna if you're gonna have a lesser product than the TSS, then you're gonna want the best of the lesser products.
SPEAKER_01Or even you know, especially even with TSS, because you're like, well, if I'm gonna go spend a hundred dollars on a box of shell, yeah. It's like so I I've thought about it recently. I'm like, if you were to go buy a new truck, you're not just gonna show up and just go ahead and buy the truck, you're gonna take it for a test drive.
SPEAKER_02Oh, of course, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So like why like why are you not gonna do the same thing? Make sure your equipment is tuned up, you know, or tuned into how how you you actually want it. Um so oh yeah, no, 100% on that. Things are things are already getting getting uh interesting. Um but uh it it's it sucks, but at the same time, you know, guys will figure out a way to to kill birds as as they always have. Um and I, you know, after shooting TSS and using it, it's it's awesome. But some guys I think have taken it to the extreme, which I I think has been detrimental. Um guys are trying to take two too long of shots at turkeys, they're trying to kill them at 60, 70 plus yards. And dude, like that's just not that's not turkey hunting. Guys who love to turkey hunt, like you want to smell that freaking turkey's breath when you shoot him. No, I agree 100% on that. That's what I'm like, that's what I'm here for. Um, like I the two birds I killed last year, one was at 40, which is the the longest that I said I wanted to shoot.
SPEAKER_02Um that's about that's about as far as I'll shoot to about 40.
SPEAKER_01And then the other one I think was at 25. Um so it was, and he he would have probably come a little bit closer. He could see my decoy, probably for a good 60 plus yards. And my my oldest was behind me trying to film it. And like he when he came out from the other side of the grass, uh, I mean, obviously knew he was coming. Uh he came out and you know, made it like four or five steps, and then stopped and turned and started to go back the other way, and I shot. I was like, that was weird. And she goes, she goes, Yeah, dad, I'm pretty sure he saw me moving. And I was like, really? And like I looked at the video on my phone afterwards, and you could just see it. She was just fumbling all over the place. And I was like, Oh, yeah, he definitely, I was like, it's all good.
SPEAKER_02So, so did you get a good video or not?
SPEAKER_01No, no, she it sucked because where I had moved her, if she had if it had come into the decoy, you know, it would have been able to, you know, she would have been able to see it. But I think you could hear you could hear him gobble a couple times on a video, but it was like she was essentially looking at my back. I thought they were gonna come from a different direction. So it's it it sucks. It's like it was the same thing that happened with the first part of our kill. I was with my wife. Um, it was the first time she'd ever heard a bird gobble. And uh he gobbled as we were getting rid of it round the corner. Um, and I was like, holy crap, like sit down. And I was like, all right, decoy. I was like, he'll come up, she'll be able to see him, no problem. Well, he proceeds to just sit in the field for an hour and gobble and just just gobble his freaking head off. That's what they do, that's what they do in this cornfield. So she never even saw him. All of a sudden I just shot and scared the crap out of her. So um that was that was interesting.
SPEAKER_02But I was uh I was this actually reminded me of a story one time I was hunting with uh a buddy of mine, John, and uh we go turkey hunting quite often. Me and him both have permission up there on the field. Uh well, actually, I say permission, it's his field, and uh he just takes me in. If he goes, he's like, Yeah, but yeah, he don't really go unless I do, and vice versa. So um, anyways, uh we were up there one time and he had a camera out, and we were down in some thick stuff. Um, the turkeys there, man, they're so weird that you got to get off in some thick crap and get out of there so that they'll just spot you out. Um, so it was it was also late season, and man, I remember we went out there one afternoon, it was hot as crap. We're sitting under these shade trees, just probably drenched in sweat, and uh he's about to fall asleep and he he has his phone like on his chest and it vibrates and he goes like this, and he's like, Oh my god, let's see which camera this is on. So he opens it up and looks at the camera, and he goes, Oh crap, that's the camera right next to me. And he looks back up, and the turkey's standing in front of him. He's like, Oh crap, but luckily we were in some thick stuff, so like all he did, all he did was like he dropped his phone real quick and then went. And the turkey went, you know how they do, they just kind of jump up and they're like, uh-oh. And you know, went to go take off and dead. So it was that was that was probably one of my favorites. He was like, dude, there's a turkey on my trail cam. And then he looks back up and like, there's a turkey in the field. I remember him looking at me like and then just like we're gonna go. And then he was like, Oh crap. So that was a funny, that was probably one of my favorite turkey hunts that we've been on.
SPEAKER_01Uh well, we're uh me and Christian are going up to a turkey challenge uh in North Carolina.
SPEAKER_02Um Christian is the the other guy that you work with with Pattern Pose, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, he's he's about three hours from me. Uh he's in uh just out of outside of Wilmington, North Carolina. And then I think this plot, this place is uh a little outside of Raleigh. So I think it'll be about an hour and a half or so from him. Uh and uh yeah, so we're gonna do this the turkey challenge. I think it's like 20 teams. Uh 10. Yeah, I love those, honestly. And you only have that day. Uh so this is this it'll be like two and a half days. Uh okay. So he runs a the guy who runs it uh does a like white tail outfitting, and he's got I don't know how many thousands of acres over you know uh a number of different properties, and so he'll split it up between the 20 teams.
SPEAKER_02Oh, it's on the same property.
SPEAKER_01Well, so the each team I think will have like three properties. Um, and you know, that equal roughly I think it'll be close to 600 acres, five to six hundred acres. Um and so I think that that Friday, um, Saturday is the is the opener. So that Friday we'll you'll get up there and we'll it'll be like a uh you'll do a drawing to see what place. Yeah, these are your hey, these are your properties, and you know, but it's all his though.
SPEAKER_02He's giving you pro oh wow, that's excellent.
SPEAKER_01If not, we're gonna be you know, we're gonna be trespassing like a mother.
SPEAKER_02You're good, you're good. No, no, no. I promise, I got permission. It's really thick, anyways. You'll be fine.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, in green jeans, like you're good. Um yeah.
SPEAKER_02If you hear a guy, yeah, if you hear a guy just start running, but yeah, you're fine though. He's not coming after you.
SPEAKER_01Uh so yeah, it'll be that Friday is uh with you know we'll go do some scouting, um, and then there's a little banquet, and then hunt all day Saturday, and then uh hunt uh like all day Sunday, except I think like there's like a some state law where you can't hunt from 9 30 to 12 30.
SPEAKER_02Kind of weird in the middle of the day? Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Uh maybe it's like church time. I don't know. I don't know. And then I think Monday we'll have until like noon. Um so that'll uh that'll that'll be a lot of fun, but kind of getting everything uh dialed in. I mean, I've done some patterning. I mean, I'm I'm I've still got some some shelves from last year, but I started to mess around with some other stuff. Uh some of it was me kind of stockpiling um a little bit. I was like, all right, I'm good, I'm good for a number of years. Um that's if I like tag out every freaking year. Uh so yeah, that that'll that'll be a lot of fun. Um you know, I I got some more of the lead TSS shells that uh I I tested out, uh, so I was excited for that.
SPEAKER_02Um Yeah, that's actually I yeah, those those kind of uh interest me a little bit, just how they work and and what the cost, like I said, what the cost difference will be on them, which I mean they'll still be expensive. They might be what TSS cost now though, with yeah, you know, in the in the coming future.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean we'll we'll see. Um, I mean, right now is honestly is the time to get it, and and yeah, I just you know I obviously the more I've done this stuff, like I see how important patterning your freaking gun actually is. But it's like, dude, if you're if you're gonna go stockpile some some shells, you better damn sure make sure that whatever you're stockpiling doesn't suck for your setup. That you like, yeah, yeah. You better make sure that it's on shells, but you know, I wouldn't pattern one of them, they sucked. You're an idiot. Um so that's yeah, that'll be interesting. Um but the the LED TSS shell I shot, um I uh I I was good at the 50. Uh I never even patterned that far. 40 is the front farthest I've ever done it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, so I just kind of I was messing around with it. Um but yeah, so that's uh you can still be super effective with that. Uh and then uh we got some new stuff coming out this year, uh, which um I'm really uh really excited for. We got like four, you know, three or four different things coming out this year. We're we're coming out with a uh an upland pack. So we'll have options.
SPEAKER_02We uh I actually just did an upland hunt. I had a blast. It was even though it was uh it was a set out like game farm upland hunt. But dude, it's still fun. I had a blast. Whenever it's not really a hunting season other than snow geese. I I get my one my one weekend uh of snow goose season and I'm like, all right, this is good. I I needed the fix, but it's way too muddy and it's way too many decoys. I just don't have I just don't have the the want to do it, but I do have a blast.
SPEAKER_01Uh I'm sure if I live if I lived in a state and I had the you know the opportunity, uh like hey, like you know, I've got a field and it's got a bunch of sneakies, I'd be like, all right, like yeah, we're gonna get up at four, we're gonna send out 800 freaking decoys and oh all 800 is uh 800 is not even a no I I know it it gets freaking wild, but it is so stupid the amount of um and we we just got an all full body spread.
SPEAKER_02Well a buddy of ours, uh and dude, it's like I think by the time we put it out, and needless to say, it wasn't supposed to rain this weekend when we went this year, because I will never go in the rain ever again because it's the most miserable setup when you can't just drive out there and put it out, it's the most miserable setup. So we get there and we start going to sleep, and we're staying in a lodge. Uh actually, the the place that we're leasing at next year in Arkansas, he's like, Hey, you know, we want to, or we were like, hey, we want to come check it out. You mind if we if we come? And he's like, Yeah, and you can stay at the lodge for free, no charge. I was like, deal. So I basically drove to Missouri Hunted on gas money, and that was it. But the uh anyways, we're sleeping, going to sleep, and all I hear on the tin roof is ding, ding, ting, ding, ting, ting, ting, ting, ting. And I'm like, what is that noise out there? Is that like what's is there something in the roof? No, it was freaking raining. I was like, you have got to be kidding me. And the field that we were hunting, uh, I don't know what kind of field it was, but it had these little uh like it was like it was humped up, you know, like like all through the field was just humps. And dude, I'm so glad that I took my dog because we also carried everything in from the road 200 yards. Oh, yeah, through the mud. 200 yards was not far enough. Let me tell you, 200 yards was like a short walk comparatively to where we should have gone. But we had a we pulled a truck in there and uh uh it was a smaller Tacoma. We were like, Man, let's see if this will get down it. Dude, it it would, but dude, I'm telling you. It went from having thirty-two inch tires to forty inch tires by the time just from the mud. No, no. And I was like, nope, back it out. We we can't pull up this levy.
SPEAKER_01Duck hunt with a buddy on um on some pub on some public around uh here this year, which is is super frustrating. But I think it is everywhere nowadays, but well, even more so because so like we have like we have some ducks here. Yeah, but there's so many impoundments and so much like that what used to be like working in plantations is just to be like 400 acres of planted duck food. So like we watched, well, we went in the evening and we just watched you know you know thousands of ducks taking the exact same flight path, super high, just in a straight line. Back and forth. Yeah, just like well, it's but he was like, you know, I'm like, dude, you're like, we're not getting stuck. And he's like, dude, that's just part of you know, part of it. I was like, no, like I am not at that point in my life anymore. I the inconvenience is not worth it. I'm not like yeah, me and Christian two years ago, I went up there for the duck opener, and uh where what North Carolina? Yeah, and it was a two-day duck, it was like a two-day duck season.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's what we do too. We have a Saturday-Sunday.
SPEAKER_01So in their infinite wisdom, they did a Friday, Saturday. Anyways, we like you know, went and scattered the evening before, and like you know, we found a few ducks. We saw a few interface, which I was like, all right, screw it, this looks like a good little spot. And um, you know, going in, it was yeah, I was like, hey, what is the depth here? I because I was worried about being you know too deep. Um and he goes, Do you were like 12 feet? I was like, Oh, all right, sweet. So I have you ever heard of uh the Kanati rigs? Kanate rigs. So it's a uh adjustable depth uh on your on your decoy. You literally like screw it into the keel and you can pull like I don't remember how many, it's like 25 feet or or more of deco of decoy line. No, I haven't super convenient. Um, and it then you get you take your drill and to wrap it up like quick, you literally just like on the little freaking uh nut and you just whoop zip it zips right up. Um it did they they're great. Um, but like you know, we get all our decoys out, and I'm like, dude, like we're in a good little spot. Like we like angle it, like get up right up against the bank. I was like, all right, I feel good. Like and 40.
SPEAKER_02So you guys hung out of a boat.
SPEAKER_01You're saying you're humming out of a boat. We were at yeah, we were in the boat. Yeah, and we made uh like a you know half it the the blind wasn't great, it was all it was straight together. I mean it worked, so we had some tool, like it would have worked had we you know had ducks close. Um about four 45 minutes into it, he was like, dude, I think we're on dry ground. And I was like, I like kind of look over and I look behind us, I was like, oh crap, like the tide you know went out a lot more. And we were like, oh, that's all good. Like we get like you know, we get out and was like, ah, we'll just push it. We pushed it and it didn't go anywhere. And I was like, Oh shit, this is bad. And so we're oh you guys had plenty of food, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we had like a couple waters and energy drinks. Um, and I was like, we're not small dudes, like and I was like, I'm pushing it, and you're like, it's barely moving, rocking at all. I was like, oh shit. We take everything out, everything out of the freaking boat. We take coolers, guns, decoys. Uh, we took out the freaking uh boat motor batteries, like every like and we're like pushing it, pushing, pushing, and then stops again. I was like, oh my god. Meanwhile, I think we saw four ducks that morning. Um and they were black ducks. Black ducks, you couldn't even for that two-day season you can't kill, even though you go up to another northern black ducks during that during that time you cannot kill black ducks. So stupid. But you go up to it the the states above you, you can kill them at that time.
SPEAKER_02I didn't know that that was a thing.
SPEAKER_01It was regular duck season or just no, no, it was like regular duck season, but you know, it's just a special like two-day season, and they have like a week break, and then it it does their you couldn't shoot black ducks, huh? No, um, in this it doesn't matter because they were too far away anyway. It doesn't yes so we're pushing, we're pushing, and then it stops. I'm like, oh god. So then I like I reach under the water and realize that I think the jackplate was hitting a log that probably had been there since the damn dinosaurs, so that's like not moving. And I go full on a diver and I keep a little uh multi-tool in my blind bag, and I pull out like you know, like the three-inch freaking blade, and I'm under there freaking sawing away at it, and I get some of it away, and then I bring and you're covered in mud at this point, probably. Not quite yet, but it's it's coming. Um I brought a machete with us, which was our saving grace. I've had this machete in the back of my truck for like three years, it's rusted as hell. I used it today, it still freaking works awesome. So I'm like, well, the saw's not doing anymore. So now I look like a madman hacking into the water to like get through this freaking branch or whatever it was. And finally, like we we we like we're free of that. And like, I'm like, holy shit, like we're floating. We get everything back on the boat, pick it up decoys, we're getting out of here. And we make it about 75 yards, and Christian goes, like, he's like, dude, we need to like get into the middle, you know. That makes sense, and it's deeper there. Wrong. So we make 75 yards. He's like, dude, I think we're stuck. And I was like, What on what? What do you mean? He like jumps out, and it's like his depth finder was not reading the correct depth. It was like three inches of water and all of the pluff mud. Um, so for the next like two and a half hours, we are jumping, going to the front of the boat, jumping out, pulling it alongside of us, and then pull and then pulling ourselves back up onto the boat, and like the whole boat is absolutely just covered in mud now. At one point, Christian is getting up onto the boat and is not paying attention and hits his head on the corner of the freaking seat, like swivel seat up front. And I thought he was gonna rip it out of the freaking like and I laughed in my head, but I was like, there's nothing good for me to say right now. That's I was like, I just need to keep this to myself because anything I say is gonna make the situation just worse. He is he's over it. So, like finally, like we start to like get a little bit of traction. I'm like, all right, dude, the water's getting deeper. We had like worked our way back to like clearly was the canal, which is right next to the freaking bank. Um, and I'm like, dude, it's getting deeper, it's getting deeper, and then finally, like trolling motor is like we can get that to actually pull us along. So holy shit, we're actually floating. Um, so right after this, we finally get back to like this is like a kind of a big flat off of um one of the creeks that goes to the main channel, and we get onto that, and we're going, and I'm sitting on the front, and I'm like, I'm kind of laughing at this point. I'm like, all right, we're good now. He's still pissed off, and I so I've got a great picture of like me, like essentially doing a selfie with him behind me, just flipping them, flipping me the bird, and the entire boat is just absolutely caked in freaking mud. Yeah, it was an act like I was like, dude, like never again. No, like will not, no way. It's like not I'm not getting stuck again. Um so that I was like, dude.
SPEAKER_02That sounds awful.
SPEAKER_01I it's stuck. I so I got it framed. I did like a little canvas and I hung that in his in his that's sitting on his on his bar now in his house. It was it was so dude, it was so bad. Like, yeah, it was it that was a long thing.
SPEAKER_02Uh I got a funny story actually. When uh when I was guiding in North Dakota this year, I was driving into a field and I I got there. So some of the fields are you know are unposted in North Dakota. You can hunt them without permission. And this happened to be one of them. Well, you know, it's a little bit different whenever I have people paying to hunt. Yeah, I really can't make a chance of not being able to get it and getting beat to the field. So what did I do? Uh well, I guess the tip money was worth it because I slept in a field most nights while I was up there. And uh yeah, it was not fun. Not actually slept in it, but drove out into it and slept in the truck. I mean, I got really good at sleeping in the truck to get it. And uh anyways, this night I went out there, slept in the field, and uh then come the next the next morning. I'm driving out to the field with the clients, and they're like, hey, you got a flat. And I'm like, what? A flat? They're like, no, no, no, not really a flat, but like it's like it's a busted tire, and I'm like, huh. And then I realized that I've been dragging soybeans for the last like like through their field, not like actual, like it was already a cut field. And so I was like, well, shit. I was like, I got a little, I guess I got a little uh uh tire on the front. I poked it, it was so dry rotted that you could probably just like have peeled, like peeled it apart. And I was like, all right, well, that's not a good option. Uh so I was like, Well, I got clients to hunt. I said, I'll bring our tractor out here later and clean this up, but I gotta get to the spot. So me just we had stuff to do. I had a lot of decoys to put out and too much crap. And at this point, I was probably so sleep deprived that I was just like, we're getting there. So I drive and this tire, I can hear it just going slap, slap, slap, slap. And it's torn, it's alright. Like by the time I saw it, it had already torn off the fender and like all the fun stuff. So I was like, it's already messed up the trailer. So just it's as worse as it could get. I just have a little bit of work to do tomorrow in the tractor. So man, I finally get out there. And by the time I get out there, I'm looking like you know, you can't see the field at this point, but like it was getting so caked under that I have to like back up and pull forward the the soybeans that it was pulling under. And uh we get to the spot set up, and I'm like, I'm like, all right, I'm going to park the truck. I'm like, I'm over this. It took me like 15 minutes just to get out here. It and it was like a couple hundred yards off the off the the field entrance. Anyways, get that done, and I'm like, there is no way we're killing ducks. Like when you looked at the field, it looked like somebody had just drugged every bit of the beans right into the decoys. And I was like, oh no. This is how was your hunt? Uh, I think we ended up shooting 30, so not too bad. But and then I had to, and then I had to uh I had to go out, it was a good hunt. It was it was uh actually it was a lot better than expected. There was only like 300 birds in it, and then the next morning we were working groups of 300, so it was pretty nice. Yeah, but the uh we uh after the hunt, I was like, or when the sun was coming up, I was like looking behind me, like I was like, I did all that. That's awful. This is gonna be a long day. I only I mean and truly, I only have rest from like 12 to like three, maybe. It depends on how long the guys want to hunt and stuff before I have to go scout at three. So it's like, oh thank goodness these ducks are coming. We need to limit out. And so I had five guys. We limited out and I said, All right, y'all go ahead and head on. I gotta go pick up the tractor and trailer. And I just left the I left the trailer right there and was like, I'm going, I'll pick up the decoys later. And then uh, so that was probably like one of those days where it was like I just couldn't catch a break.
SPEAKER_01So well, I mean, obviously you got you know got some duct to it.
SPEAKER_02Oh crap, I forgot about this too. On top of that, when I got back to the truck to go take the uh to go take the the trailer off and and get out of there, I realized that I had a flat uh tire on the truck. I was like, my day just can't get any worse. So on top of that, I was trying to jack a truck up in the field to change the tire out on it, and all that Jack was doing was going just. So I found, I don't remember what I found, but I think I put enough decoy stakes underneath it to where it was like it was like, yeah, I was like, this is this is redneck ingenuity and like just you gotta do what you gotta do. Yeah, so but those are the days. It was it was a fun time, it was it was exhausting, but it was a lot of fun, and that I would suggest it for anybody who actually wants to do that to do that one year.
SPEAKER_01So no, that's uh yeah, that's that's a lot. Uh well I started to say something and then we went off on a huge yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna ask you, you're coming out with an upland pack.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so uh so up and pack. So uh it's the the same model as as waterfowl. Um, so it's it's still eight different shells with three of each one box. So 24 shells in a box. Uh so essentially, you know, your normal normal box shells minus one. Um but we are gonna have a essentially uh a pheasant, uh be pheasant loads, uh, and then we'll have uh a dove a dove option. Um so let's see if I can if I can reach these. So all right, so here for for the pheasant, we've got uh and some of these some of these may change. I may change some of these out, or if I if I hear anything different, but you know, just kind of something that it was it was easy. We I feel like we covered most of the the basis for you know your popular pheasant loads, or at least most common. Uh but heavy hammer upland, uh the Winchester Super Pheasant, Federal Prairie Storm, uh Herders, uh the your just your regular uh Remington Pheasant Loads, Fioci Golden Pheasant, Kent uh Ultimate, and then uh migra, the migra stacks four sixes. Um so those are gonna be our our our our pheasant options there. Um and then uh I can't quite reach the uh the dove box, but uh a lot of the same brands. Uh and most of those are uh I think most of those are seven and a half shot. Um and then yeah, I think migra is seven and a half the nines, and then I believe the boss is it's the uh there's a steel load, so there's number sixes. But yeah, so that's uh just another another great option for guys who you know actually want to become uh more efficient. So uh that'll be interesting. That'll get released um sometime within the next you know handful of months, uh, probably right after circuit season is is the goal. Uh and then the other thing which is a uh is is a pivot um away from shotguns is actually gonna be rifle ammunition. Oh wow, that's awesome. So it's gonna be uh four different uh four different shells with five of each. So uh a normal rifle ammo box of 20 shells. Um but yeah, it's uh we're gonna start out with the five most common calibers 306, 308, uh 270, 65 Creamore, and 300 Wind Mag. Um so obviously, you so those are just by far the most common uh calibers used uh in all the research that we've done. Um and yeah, it's kind of like shotgun shells where I thought that it would, you know, when I started started doing this, it was like oh all shotgun shells are you know the same, which obviously clearly that they're not. And then I saw the same thing with rapid ammunition, and like I saw it firsthand uh a few years ago trying to zero in uh you know my kids 243, and it was um uh at a hundred yards. Uh my brother-in-law was helping me out who's uh can do it anything with freaking guns and optics.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um and so first shot uh I think on a tripod like 100 yards, like it was like eight inches uh center, but uh eight inches low. I'm like, all right, like next shot, high right of center. It was like holy crap. So he like takes the optic off, torques it down to specs, like make sure it's perfectly level. And I was like, all right, it is you know, it was fine, but like just one just wanted to make sure. And so the next group, center, eight inches low, second shot, high right. And he goes, Well, we're gonna stop wasting ammo because this gun obviously does not like that shell. Yeah, so I was like, holy crap. Uh next day I go, I get another box of 243, different brand. Uh, went and shot it, and I was having I I think I I started it at 50 yards, and I had you know three bullet holes that were essentially touching. And I'm like, I think you know, went out to 100 yards to confirm it, and I was like, Yep, all right, cool. Now we're just gonna find a stupid deer to stand in front of her. Uh and so it's it's just going to allow people to uh become you know more more efficient and uh with everything that they do. So it's uh it's gonna be exciting. Uh it's definitely a different uh different avenue than what we've been doing for the last few years, but it it's all the same, it's all the same concept. Um, it's gonna help people save money, uh, they'll become more efficient, more accurate, uh, you know, quicker kills, which is everything that we're trying to do. Uh, and then the thing that is going to probably give us some headaches, but is the most unique is the choke tube rental pack. Uh for for we're starting with waterfowl.
SPEAKER_02Oh, it's a rental. Yeah, I remember you were you were saying that.
SPEAKER_01And then if they they buy from you, yeah. Yep. So three choke tubes, the same constriction. Uh we know we'll send it to you. There'll be, you know, a small rental fee. You'll get a certain amount of time in order to shoot it. That way you're not keeping it for however freaking long. The whole duck season you're so the goal is you know, just you'll have like a week or so to shoot it. Um and uh whatever whatever shoots best, you can buy it from us. Uh, we'll give you a little discount off of retail. Um and you now have that choke tube. The choke tube's already in your gun. You don't have to wonder if that choke tube is is gonna perform how you want it to. You'll send us back the other two. Um by the time those get back to us, you'll already be uh be replacing it and uh and moving on from there. So it's uh it here pretty soon. It's it like it is gonna be a one-stop shop for absolutely everything. Um that's awesome. And then we'll have uh drop shipping available hopefully here soon. The the goal is to have it last year, uh, but we're what is uh just what's drop shipping? So like we have wholesalers um that we can that we buy from, and so now we'll actually be able to set our own prices. So instead of you going to Bass Pro or whoever, um you can buy so let's say you you went and shot uh your turkey ammo, and you're hey, you know, Winchester Double X shot the best for me. Now you can buy it from us.
SPEAKER_02Oh, gotcha.
SPEAKER_01And you know, for hopefully cheaper than what it you can go buy it at the store. Um gotcha. Yeah, that's it's just you know, you're already there, you may as well go ahead um and uh and and buy it there and and hopefully allow us to save you some money uh on that side of it as well. So there's a lot of uh a lot of things coming up uh for this coming season. Uh it's been a ton of work, it's been a lot of headaches.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01So it's constant. So it's just like when it feels like we're we're settling in. It's like, all right, well, time for a new project uh to expand, or there's a you know, a headache with this one, like this website's been giving us all kinds of issues. Um, I was supposed to sit down and try to do that today, but naturally when I go to log in, it it was saying something was incorrect. So that was making me want to punch my computer. Um, but yeah, dude. So it's thing a lot of things are coming. Um next year's gonna be a big year for us with all of that stuff uh gonna be available. Uh the goal is for turkey season next year to have. Have the same uh choke tube rental system uh in place for for turkey chokes. Awesome. But yeah, so next year we'll have uh be at the uh our goals to do four or five different shows. So more and more shows the better. Um but dude, it's yeah, I I'm super excited for what we got going on and and what we have coming. Um but go freaking pattern gun. I'm telling you, like it makes it will just make or break you where if you have a pattern that is not uh not optimal for your setup.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, 100%, man. And I'm I'm sure there's a lot of people that have already shot shot your stuff and appreciated that. So um, you know, just having a good the best shell that they could possibly have. Like you said in our last podcast, no reason to travel two states over when you're not even gonna be able to shoot the right the the bird, you know.
SPEAKER_01So you're already doing all you're spending all the money and on everything else and taking all this other time. Like just know what happens when you pull the freaking trigger, like they are not all they're not all created equal, or you know, you may be spending you know thirty dollars on a box of shell where you can spend 20. Yeah, I I I had a buddy tell me the other day where um one of his friends had shot it uh for a waterfowl stuff, and it was like the cheapest shell in the pack pattern best. And it was like ten dollars cheaper than most most expensive. So it's like if you go buy a case of that, you're gonna save yourself a hundred freaking dollars. It's three hundred dollars a case, it's two hundred dollars a case, like right, yeah, which is it is it's mind-blowing just to see where that can really start to save you money and and time. So it's uh it's pretty pretty cool when I start seeing that. And actually, like five minutes before we we hopped on the call, um, somebody messaged me about uh he sent me a couple different turkey patterns and for uh uh for 12 gauge TSS and found his best one. So it was it just it's just cool to see that kind of stuff where it um you're spending doing this, all these other things, and you find the right shell, and there's no longer a wonder. I don't know if I could shoot him there, I don't know if I can kill them here. Yeah, and then you're like, I know exactly what that's gonna do when I pull the trigger.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, 100%. Well, uh, you got anything else? Sounds like you're gonna be too busy. I don't think you need anything else to keep you busy.
SPEAKER_01No, yeah, I say that, but I'll freaking come up with something else. As soon as soon as here in like six months, when every uh all of these other things are are implemented, I'll come up with something else. I'm like, Yeah, Chris's gonna be like, dude, like stop. Like, we already have all this shit. I'm like, yeah, I know, but we need something else now. Like, I I'm trying I'm trying to retire a lot, you know, before on Monday or like let's go ahead and get this thing freaking rolling, stop being a firefighter EMT and just do this full time, like so yeah, and I mean low-key just helping everybody else, you know. I mean, that's but I mean that's what you're there for. Now I gotta help people like go kill more shit, and then I gotta like travel the country and talk to a bunch of other duck hunters and turkey, all of this, all of these different things, and then now when I go on hunting trips, everything's just freaking tax write-off. It's glorious.
SPEAKER_02Oh, dude. Now I'm I I need your thinking. Yeah, we're just hey, $1,700, no problem. It's on my taxes. I didn't make any money this year because I went on 7,000 hunting trips. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's it's been a lot more everything than I ever imagined. Time, effort, headaches, money. Oh, I'm sure. Having your own business. I had a buddy text me the other day um who owns one of the he owns Salt Creek. Um, it was like, send me like a meme or whatever is like when it's like owning your own business. It'll be fun this year.
SPEAKER_02Like, yeah, and then and then whatever you're doing well, everybody else says must be nice. Yeah, yeah. As if you didn't just bang your head against the wall a hundred times because uh that the freaking uh uh ammo company won't send you some for this or that or whatever.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's it is always it's always something, but it's been a lot of fun, man. It continues to be a lot of fun. Um just just again for anybody listening, like just go pattern a gun, like yeah, you will learn something, you'll understand what is happening when you pull the trigger. Um, and you know, you're like, oh, I can kill birds with anything. You're like, I mean you can, but like, you know, I I can kill a bear with a 22, but like I should probably use something that's a little bit more efficient. Yeah, no doubt. Just go out there and and know what's gonna happen when you pull the trigger.
SPEAKER_02Well, fair enough. I know we went a little bit over your time. I hope you don't kill me, but the uh oh no, that's all good.
SPEAKER_01I'm sure my i I can hear my wife and and kids up there and the dogs freaking running around like crazy. Well, that sounds good.
SPEAKER_02Um y'all are patternprousa.com, right?
SPEAKER_01Patternprosusa.com. And then uh my number is uh towards the bottom of the website uh somewhere. Um our uh Facebook is pattern pros USA, and then our Instagram is just pattern pros. Um I'm still a full-time firefighter, uh, but I have you know plenty of days off, which drives Christian nuts because he's like, dude, you not work. Um but uh you freaking lazy swooping the other day. I was like fixing a freestanding. He's like, dude, what are you doing?
SPEAKER_02It's Tuesday at 12 o'clock.
SPEAKER_01Oh dude, what are you doing all the time? I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm working. I'm like, oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02I'm sorry, I I make all my hours in one day that you made in three. Sorry.
SPEAKER_01Um but yeah, so I I'm on any one of those, whether it's you know, you know, you send us an email, send us a message, call me. Um, I'm pretty pretty reachable um in in some capacity. Um but love love to hear anybody if they got any questions or or comments or concerns or hell anything. I don't care.
SPEAKER_02Well, you guys heard it from him. Go call him. He loves talking on the phone, so you guys and he has a lot of time. So you guys go talk to him, uh, reach out to him, he'd be happy to answer your questions. So uh well, we appreciate it, guys. Uh, thanks for listening to the podcast. And uh go check out our sponsors, go check out pattern pros. Um, you know, I know I'm sponsored by ammo company, but hey, go try it for yourself. I think you have quite day ammo in your pack. Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01He he loves what we do, so yeah.
SPEAKER_02So you guys go check it out. Um, you know, and you shoot them. I I think they're the best, but you guys go shoot them and make sure for yourself. Uh so go check them out, Pattern Pros, and we will see ya.